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why did you want to be an astronaut

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well i i know the day that i was

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inspired to be an astronaut and that was

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july 20th 1969. i was seven years old

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in michigan at my grandparents house

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watching a black and white tv with my

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brother and sister and parents

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and we watched with great interest

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on a fuzzy black and white tv as neil

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armstrong stepped on the moon and made

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his first speech as he as he stepped on

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the moon i looked at my brother and

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sister i was seven my brother was nine

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my sister was eleven and uh

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we um were amazed and i said wow that

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i'd love to be an astronaut so that was

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kind of the bit that was set way back

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when i was seven and i remember that

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actually when i talked to kids

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how

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a small

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milestone a very short event can have an

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incredible impact on somebody's future

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that being said i thought it was just a

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dream i didn't really believe it that it

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could ever happen

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um but i worked hard in school loved

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math and science became enamored with

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airplanes and rocket ships

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decided to get an engineering degree

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went to the air force academy because i

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really wanted to fly but i also wanted

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to fly to be a better

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engineer better understanding of of the

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physics and

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and and the operation of space vehicles

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spaceships

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and so then got involved in the flying

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thing and of course flying is great and

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i've loved my flying career flew

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fighters

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went to test pilot school because that

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kind of brings the engineering side back

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into the flying it's kind of a rebirth

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about 10 years into my career and at

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that time i realized that wow you know

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i'm flying really cool stuff and they

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like to hire test pilots because each

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shuttle mission really is a test flight

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and so i went ahead and threw my name in

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the hat um

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my my my goal was to get an interview to

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come down meet some astronauts

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blow the ping-pong in between the lines

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you know do those sorts of things

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and so uh

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of course unexpected and very excited to

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get picked into the class a dozen years

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ago

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let me get you to tell us where that

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whole story began tell me about your

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hometown and you're growing up and and

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what it was like for you there

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well i kind of have two home towns i'll

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start with a hometown

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in fairborn ohio because that's where i

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ended up junior high in high school i

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was a military brat and we moved all

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around i was born in the uk and then we

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moved all over the united states ending

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in ohio when i was a senior in high

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school and so um

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i had amazing teachers in high school i

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had just support

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they used to tease me that i was like

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peanut butter because i was spread too

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thin because i was involved in so many

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different activities but i was always

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trying to do the best i could in every

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activity i was greatly involved in music

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and my dad was a

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musician my brother is a professional

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musician

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and so i really got into the band

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various bands rock bands high school

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band uh you know marching concert jazz

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bob depiro

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he was a great mentor for me um

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kind of

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rubbed some rough edges off of me and

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taught me discipline and different

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things and and excelling in whatever

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you're doing doing the best that you can

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do and so that if i could characterize

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my high school years growing up in in

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ohio it was

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just trying to do the best that you can

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do and everything that you're doing and

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that kind of set me up for going to the

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air force academy which is kind of you

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do a whole bunch of things at the air

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force academy

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it's not just about academics it's not

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just about

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it's not just about discipline it's kind

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of all three and so that was a perfect

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match for my college years did you get a

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chance to get a good look at fairborn

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ohio or colorado springs when you flew

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um well ohio you know south of michigan

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the hand is really easy to see and the

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great lakes

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and then you've got the ohio river

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i i looked at dayton i could see dayton

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and i knew about where fairborne was in

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relationship to dayton i think i saw the

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triangular runway at the right patterson

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air force airfield area b but it's a lot

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of the time on my last space shuttle

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flight we were flying over the over the

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u.s at night so it's a little bit

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difficult to see now my second hometown

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is traverse city michigan and that's

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where my dad that was my dad's permanent

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home of record it's where my mom and dad

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met and it's been kind of the summer and

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winter recreational ground we

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had a lake house up there and my

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grandparents lived there and it was the

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it was the warm homecoming place that i

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i would always go as a kid and in fact i

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still still share um

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a lake house up there with my brother

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and sister on that same location

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and so that was a lot easier to see

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top of the hand

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there aren't a lot of bright lights up

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in northern michigan so i could clearly

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see traverse city and i honestly with

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the moonlight think that i picked out

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long lake which is where the cottage

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sits and so you know when i think of two

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places in the u.s that bring me that

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kind of homecoming hometown feel it'd be

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fair board ohio and traverse city

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you touched on this before let me get

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you to expand a bit on the the path from

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high school and to college and your air

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force career

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tell us those steps that you took that

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ended up you becoming an astronaut

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well uh i went to the air force academy

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of course i got a degree in uh

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aeronautical engineering

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went on to get a master's first

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kind of did that fill that square first

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because i knew once i started flying

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it might be more difficult to get a

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masters and i wanted to get a good

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master's in residence so i did that and

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then went off the fly

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i went to lubbock texas in at reese air

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force base it's since been closed

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and i trained in the undergraduate pilot

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training in the t-37 and the t-38 and

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lucky for me they decided to keep me as

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a t-38 instructor for three years so i

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taught guys to fly for for three years

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in lubbock that's where i met my wife

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carrie and we were married at the end of

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that tour and then i got a fighter out

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of there and moved her out of state to

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north carolina

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desert storm hit about that time and so

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the middle east

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uh and then uh finished that tour

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applying to test pilot school

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at which time i went out to edwards air

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force base tested the f-15

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and some and chased some other test

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programs

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but one interesting test program i had

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out at edwards was the active

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advanced vehicle technology i can't i

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can't tell you the acronym but in any

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case it was a thrust vectoring

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flight control kind of

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test program that was going to be used

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for the joint strike fighter and

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similar to what we're doing with the dto

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for the re-rendezvous for the follow-on

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vehicle same sort of thing

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but a really exciting program a lot of

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agencies involved including nasa and i

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believe that probably my interaction

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with the active program at nasa dryden

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connections in the networking that gave

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me a a little something that hey i've

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worked with nasa i've done this really

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cool test program and we did get some

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awards for that test program as well so

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that was one of my

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feathers in my cap for maybe having a

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chance to be apply for nasa and be be

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i went to a leadership school after that

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they were heading me to the pentagon

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the hat came down for an interview and

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came here instead so instead of going to

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the pentagon to my first non-flying desk

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job

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you talked about going into the air

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force academy because you were

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interested in flying what i didn't ask

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high school but i've just always been

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inspired and excited about airplanes i

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airplane overseas when i was

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it was about when i was seven it was 69

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we were we we saw the first lunar

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landing and then my dad was assigned to

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germany and i flew on my first airplane

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overseas at least the first one that i

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remember and i guess i must have been on

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airplanes before that but i was looking

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out the window with the clouds and i was

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just amazed at how the thing could fly

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and and that was always

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an exciting topic for me i was always

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asking questions about it to my parents

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trying to understand it paying attention

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still amazes me when i go out and fly

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the t-38 and i look at those little

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short skinny little wings and that

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thing's flying it's just it's just

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amazing to me even now

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now you're in a career that where the

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the flying in space part of this career

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is one that has got some significant

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possible dangers to it a lot more than

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most people have in their jobs

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so greg what is it that you think we're

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getting as a result of flying people in

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space that makes it worth taking that

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different than driving in and out of

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houston every day but i'm kidding but

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but yeah the i think the risk is well

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worth it uh because

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we are an exploring country we're a

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leading edge technology country

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um

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seriously and i talk to my kids about

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being the lead dog

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everybody else is looking at the tail

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end of the lead dog you know the you

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want to be the lead dog not the guys

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behind and we've been the lead dog and

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the reason we've been the lead dog is

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because we take those risks that we you

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know that we push technology and

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exploration forward

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and the space program is a perfect

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example of that

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and the technologies and the

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capabilities that we get from the space

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program and the economies i mean the

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economic impact is a little bit

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intangible but if you really go back and

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look at all the various spin-offs and

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things that we've gotten from the space

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program and how it's impacted our

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country and our world

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space is that next frontier that we need

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to explore and so i think it's extremely

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important to be involved with space and

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i think that we don't spend enough i

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think we should spend much more on our

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space program

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than we do these days but i know times

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are tight

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but

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so any risk to me personally

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you're a member of the crew of shuttle

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mission sts-134

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greg give me a summary of the goals of

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this flight and tell me what your job is

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okay sts-134

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we are

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an international space station assembly

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mission

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one of the the final ones we're taking

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up a very important experiment the alpha

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magnetic spectrometer

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a science experiment

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that could change the course of of

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physics

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and we're also taking some pieces and

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parts up to the space station

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in anticipation of the shuttle uh

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retiring because we only have a few more

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shuttle flights uh and so we're taking

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those parts up in an express uh

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logistics uh carrier uh and and uh

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perching that on top of the space

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station as well i'll be the pilot uh we

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have four mission specialists doing four

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space walks uh we have a lot of robotic

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arm operations and so i'm kind of the

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the head arm operator overall uh

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overseeing what we're doing with both

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the shuttle and the space station uh

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robotic arms and i'll be taking part in

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in both sides of that uh

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endeavor

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moving the robotic arms moving the

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pieces of parts around inspecting the

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shuttle uh uh prior to re-entry and and

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after launch

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and uh i'll also be the pilot sitting in

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the right seat so i'll be monitoring a

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lot of this you know shuttle uh systems

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as well as

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doing um

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different duties aboard the shuttle

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looking over the um

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the toilet for example that's one of my

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jobs i'll be making sure that everybody

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gets their meals and those sorts of

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things i won't be doing any space walks

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uh but i will be back in markup as kind

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of the

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the other pilot on board

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almost everybody on this crew has been

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to the space station before in fact two

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of your crewmates have finished long

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duration missions on the station has

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that kind of experience paid off for you

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guys as you've been preparing for this

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flight

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oh yeah absolutely i mean everybody on

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our crew has kind of a unique uh

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experience base uh bringing to this crew

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and we all have very different

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backgrounds and

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like my similar my last flight a whole

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bunch of different kind of personalities

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but you put them all together and

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synergize is a is a great team

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roberto from italy i'm really looking

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forward to him we trained as astronaut

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candidates way back a dozen years ago

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and then we've got a couple guys who

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have lived on the space station for six

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or 12 months

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uh mark kelly is a very experienced

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pilot i've been working with him

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since day one

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uh and uh and and it's an honor to serve

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as his pilot on this mission

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and then finally drew feustel who's you

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know one of the greatest spacewalkers

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he's he's been to hubble and so he uh

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he is kind of heading up the spacewalk

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team so pretty much the whole crew

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is a is a very experienced and very

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dedicated

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member of the team and i'm looking

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forward to working with all of them

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let me get you to tell us some about the

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the cargo the things you're delivering

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the

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what is express logistics carrier 3 and

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what does that do

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when you get it to the station

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well it's a big pallet that basically

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holds a bunch of stuff that we're taking

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up to the space station

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the

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when we get up to orbit and which which

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is interesting once we attach to the

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space station we're going to say hi

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we're going to get some safety briefs

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and immediately we're going to get to

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work on there for that very first flight

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day because we want to get those heavy

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cargo items out of the shuttle that's

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the highest priority and so uh the ams

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the alpha magnetic spectrometer and the

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elc are both um

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uh

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very important but the elc happens to

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have a cg impact so we're taking it out

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first so we're doing that on flight day

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three

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and roberto and i believe it is um

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spanky mike fink are operating the

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shuttle's robotic arm they're going to

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lift the elc out of the shuttle and

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just kind of hold them out hold it out

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in space and then

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taz and i are going to use the space

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station robotic arm grab the elc from

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them and attach it onto the space

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station

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taz and i are doing both of those uh

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handoffs from the space station robotic

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arm side taz will be the primary

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operator and i'll be backing them up

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with elc and then we'll swap roles

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for the ams

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is the is that all it takes to install

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this thing just to if you will simple

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plug-in

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uh yeah it's essentially that's what's

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going on we have some robotic maneuvers

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uh to get there

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uh and the handoff

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you ha it has to be precise and but

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those guys have

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have done a great job in the simulation

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we've done a full simulation from it

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being in the cargo bay all the way to

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where we're going to hand it off and

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then we attach it and then once we get

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it up there there's also another uh

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process to get it physically attached to

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the truss

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and

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do that job as well for the elc he's the

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primary arm operator and i'm the primary

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claw guy and then we'll swap roles for

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the ams but the whole operation will

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take maybe uh

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two and a half hours i imagine for the

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whole thing so it won't add a whole lot

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of time to the rendezvous day but the

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rendezvous day of course is a really

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long day

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that attachment then is something that

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you guys do from inside

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uh yes we do it's all computer-based and

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and it'll be interesting because we've

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got the two greg's doing those two

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different things backing each other up

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so there's there's going to be some

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humor on on the loops i imagine as we do

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the com protocols handing it off to each

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other

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elc is being delivered with some

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spare parts on it already right yes one

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of the spare parts that's on elc is the

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spdm and spdm arm

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and i have

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close to my heart

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the spdm because we took the spdm on my

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last flight and assemble it on orbit

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with a lot of spacewalks so we're taking

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spdm arm and parts up there as well as

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some other items

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the second big payload you've got you

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mentioned before the alpha magnetic

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spectrometer tell me what that does once

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it's installed out on the space

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station's truss

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well the alpha magnetic spectrometer or

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15 years in the making

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i don't know how much money and how much

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manpower has gone into this thing but i

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know a whole bunch of smart guys

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including a nobel nor laureate have been

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involved

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and uh so the ams is really exciting

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and it's one of those kinds of

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experiments one of those rare kinds of

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experiments that it really might

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just open some new doors that we never

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even knew existed uh it's a particle

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detector uh it it measures uh it

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collects various cosmic particles that

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can't come through our atmosphere to

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earth so this this particular experiment

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can't be on the

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surface of the planet because you can't

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get the kind of data that you can out in

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space

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so the first thing it needs to be out in

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space it needs to be stationary it needs

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to be zero gravity it needs to be

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undisturbed and collecting its data

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and then the particles are going to come

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into the thing and we're going to get

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signatures of those particles and then

519
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learn about those particles i

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one of the things we're studying is dark

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matter we're going to try to look at

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naturally occurring antimatter but

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there's also other particles probably

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out there that we don't even know exist

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and so that thing i expect the ams to

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discover new particles that we didn't

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even know existed and possibly will open

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doors in in particle physics

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give me a sense of the importance of

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what it may find i mean they've

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described this as looking for data that

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can help understand the origins of the

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universe which is frankly a pretty big

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deal

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yes and and you know

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as we

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press forward in technology we learn new

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things that we didn't know

539
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the hubble telescope for example looks

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so

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that we actually visually can understand

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the or some some elements of the origin

543
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of our universe for hubble telescope

544
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this is a particle detector so it's not

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on on the visual spectrum but it's

546
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cosmic particles in the other

547
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of different sorts that this thing is

548
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collecting

549
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anti naturally occurring anti-matter

550
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dark matter a very big question out

551
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there trying to understand what this

552
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dark matter is and where it is and

553
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accounting for it and those sorts of

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particles

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are going to be collected by this

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particle detector and then the very

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smart people that understand all this

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stuff are going to put it all together

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and learn new secrets about the origin

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of our universe and a lot of other

561
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,960
things

562
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,799
you know whenever there's an experiment

563
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,640
like this that the goal is to for

564
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:30,480
example

565
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,480
learn about the origin of the universe

566
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,320
what history has told us is when we have

567
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,520
these sorts of experiments and

568
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,919
explorations that we learn

569
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:41,200
things that we didn't even know were

570
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:42,159
there

571
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,520
for example the lewis and clark

572
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,280
expedition they went to go find the

573
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:47,360
northwest passage and yet they didn't

574
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,559
find it

575
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,640
and they were way over budget by the way

576
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,520
but

577
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,679
they were an amazing success because of

578
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,880
all the other things that they found

579
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,840
that they didn't even know were out

580
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,679
there the unknown unknowns

581
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,039
i'm not going to find out any of these

582
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,720
things until you and your crewmates get

583
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,120
it installed tell me how you go about

584
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,720
putting ams

585
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:06,080
taking it out of the payload bay and

586
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:07,520
putting it on the truss

587
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,120
well part of the problem of ams and elc

588
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,720
for that matter both of the tasks are

589
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,200
very similar and as i said before

590
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,120
taz and i are going to be working

591
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,720
together

592
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,400
getting it in place and then attaching

593
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:21,679
it

594
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,440
and a lot of the assembly of the space

595
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,120
station

596
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,360
was using cameras that are on the bottom

597
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,720
portion of the trust so when we get up

598
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,919
to the top of the trust there aren't a

599
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,000
lot of good cameras up there so it's a

600
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,240
little bit challenging trying to get

601
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,240
good visual views of where we're putting

602
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,000
the thing

603
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:41,919
the shuttle robotic arm is helping us

604
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,559
out it's going to reach out and look at

605
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,240
a certain angle that helps us it's kind

606
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,400
of like a remote camera if you will

607
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,840
that'll be helping us and that'll be a

608
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,760
primary view for us as we attach it onto

609
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,360
the space station we're also going to

610
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,679
move very very slowly

611
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,400
and so once we get it into place there's

612
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,280
three v guides with claws

613
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,919
and actually a big claw that

614
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,919
grabs it in the middle and we'll just

615
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,159
basically stick it in place and then the

616
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,000
claws will close around it and attach it

617
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,039
onto the space station

618
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,520
this mission also has a plan for four

619
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,520
space walks to be conducted by three

620
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,600
different pairs of of your crewmates

621
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,880
going outside

622
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,440
what's your role going to be while your

623
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,000
crewmates are conducting these evas well

624
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,360
i'm going to make sure they're well fed

625
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,440
prior to going out and make sure they're

626
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,919
well fed coming back in i'm just kidding

627
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,760
yeah that but that but that is a very

628
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,960
important part and i didn't really

629
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,280
realize how much how important it was on

630
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,720
the last flight that i went on where we

631
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,120
had five space walks those guys get

632
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:43,039
really tired and the fourth space walk

633
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,240
the meal is probably going to be the

634
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:45,840
most important thing on their mind once

635
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,720
they get in they're tired they're hungry

636
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,280
and they're ready to relax but

637
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,799
during the spacewalks eva2 and eva4 i

638
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,440
have a robotic operation

639
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,640
part in that

640
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,440
for eva2 i'll be

641
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,080
holding on to the spdm

642
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:06,640
and drew is going to lubricate some of

643
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:07,760
the

644
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,520
pin he's gonna

645
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:15,919
lubricate some of those snares holding

646
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:19,120
mr dexter the spdm he's a big object and

647
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,159
so

648
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,159
moving him around as we lubricate him is

649
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,320
going to be an interesting proposition

650
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,919
we're not able to practice that in the

651
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,159
pool uh with one for one geometry

652
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,320
because we can't grab an spdm and move

653
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,320
it around in the pool uh so we use this

654
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,880
little rinky dinky i call it son of spdm

655
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,039
that we use to practice it but we do get

656
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,280
to see the geometry in the virtual

657
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,760
reality labs so we have seen how it's

658
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,760
going to work but it's going to be a

659
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:46,559
an interesting uh exercise once we get

660
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,600
up there

661
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:49,279
but i'm sure it'll be fine we've got a

662
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,640
good plan and and and it'll be a success

663
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,039
uh for eva four

664
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,440
uh we're moving the obss

665
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,640
the boom uh and and attaching it on top

666
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,279
of the truss

667
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,600
spanky and taz are the two that are

668
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,360
going to be up there uh accepting the

669
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,279
boom and attaching it and then we're

670
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,240
going to modify the grapple fixture

671
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,559
attached to the boom

672
00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:17,120
i did get to do this particular robotic

673
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,240
operation on my last flight on on

674
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,039
sts-123 so

675
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,279
uh that's all i do i guess when i go up

676
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,039
is attach booms on top of the space

677
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:27,039
station but we'll be doing it again we

678
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,320
learned from some of the things we did

679
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,080
on the last flight uh

680
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:32,080
for this uh for this

681
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:33,360
exercise

682
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:34,240
and

683
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,240
attach it to the top of the boom top of

684
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,159
the truss and then

685
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,520
i will meet uh taz over toward the more

686
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,039
center section of the of the space

687
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,200
station he'll go get on the robotic arm

688
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,559
and then i'll be moving him around on

689
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,880
the robotic arm doing his work replacing

690
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,039
the grapple fixture

691
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,520
what is different than last time is that

692
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,440
this time the obss is going to stay

693
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,840
behind on the station permanently right

694
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,480
that's absolutely right and

695
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,559
although we're doing the same task the

696
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,279
use of the obss for the subsequent

697
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,200
mission is quite different

698
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,919
we were on sts-123 our job was to get

699
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,840
the boom up there so that the follow-on

700
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:17,039
mission sts-124 could use it to inspect

701
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,760
their

702
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,000
thermal protection system and the reason

703
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,200
for that was

704
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,240
the japanese lab was too big

705
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,400
to hold the obss in addition so we had

706
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,679
to leave it up there so they could use

707
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,480
it this time we're leaving the obss up

708
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,799
there for future contingencies for the

709
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,720
space station

710
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,440
the and so it has sensors for example

711
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,600
that are used to inspect the thermal

712
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,360
protection system of the shuttle we

713
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,520
don't have to keep those alive but we

714
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,240
what we do want to do is make it useful

715
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,480
so it can be grabbed by the space

716
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,960
shuttle or space station arm to extend

717
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,480
the length of the arm to make repairs

718
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,360
like what happened on sts-120 when they

719
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:58,000
repaired the solar arrays uh that were

720
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,960
torn

721
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,320
so um

722
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,919
it we're not planning on using that

723
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,760
thing on future iss missions but it's

724
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,840
going to allow us to extend the space

725
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,159
station arm another 50 feet

726
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,480
and otherwise during the spacewalks then

727
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,720
i guess you're involved in in transfers

728
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,960
and and work of that kind oh yeah i'll

729
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,440
be doing a transfer a lot of transfer

730
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,520
during eva one and three i'll also be

731
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,960
taking photos

732
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,799
and uh you know one of the most

733
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,320
important things we do up there is

734
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,159
taking photos and people don't realize

735
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,679
you know you don't have a press crew up

736
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,919
there to take photos for you so they

737
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,679
volunteered to go

738
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,320
and we've got an open seat yeah

739
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,679
so you got to put your name in the hat

740
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,480
for that one but uh we uh we get a lot

741
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,000
of training on on

742
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,760
photo tv in order to get the right shots

743
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,240
in in the right clarity and to tell the

744
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,840
right story to document what we're doing

745
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,760
up there so uh

746
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,360
and i'm probably

747
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,480
on the bottom half of my photo tv class

748
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720
so i work really hard on getting all

749
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,640
those settings right for the for the

750
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,559
shots and so i'll get to practice that

751
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,720
when i'm on over as well

752
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,120
during the rendezvous and docking on

753
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,039
this mission and then again

754
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,679
after undocking and the fly around your

755
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,200
crew is going to be gathering data for a

756
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:12,960
development test objective that's known

757
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,240
as storm that stands for sensor test for

758
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,320
orion relative navigation risk

759
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,000
mitigation

760
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,760
this includes something that we've never

761
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,320
seen before a re-rendezvous with the

762
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,120
station after the separation

763
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,480
you're going to be flying tell me what

764
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,480
you guys are going to be doing here

765
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,840
well uh the the

766
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,840
storm test objective there

767
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,159
is to basically um

768
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,039
analyze and evaluate a sensor system

769
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,039
that could be used on a follow-on space

770
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,679
vehicle and so the final mission

771
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,399
of any vehicle aerospace vehicle

772
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,399
typically we'll be testing stuff that

773
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,039
will replace that vehicle airplanes are

774
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,960
the same have the same thing and so we

775
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,279
test future radars on the current

776
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,320
airframes that have all the ability to

777
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,919
all the things around that sensor that

778
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,760
you can analyze it with

779
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,000
so uh we're going to

780
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,480
undock and then instead of departing and

781
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,520
coming back home we're going to go out

782
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,760
several thousand feet and then come back

783
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,399
in and re-rendezvous with a totally

784
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,399
different sensor

785
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,880
um it's a whole

786
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,279
unique array of burns

787
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,960
the trajectory is something very

788
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,240
different than what we've ever flown

789
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,039
before but it's but it's all in the same

790
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,799
sorts of things that we've been doing

791
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,799
with rendezvous just looks different

792
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,720
the pilot traditionally flies the

793
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,880
separation and the fly around are you

794
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,919
still going to be on the stick on the

795
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:38,880
way back

796
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,799
i'll oh well okay rendezvous we we

797
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,279
typically aren't uh

798
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:47,600
on the stick till you get very close

799
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,440
uh we do um we do a series of burns but

800
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:54,480
we're not physically um the commander

801
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,440
for the ron

802
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,919
typical rendezvous isn't making a lot of

803
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,080
inputs until we're within about a mile

804
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,039
and so a lot of this test is going to be

805
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,799
outside of a mile

806
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,120
and actually will only get no closer

807
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,120
than 600 feet but typically when we

808
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,880
practice it we're about you know eight

809
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,880
or nine hundred feet away when we knock

810
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,640
it off and then press on

811
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,039
with our re-entry plans and all those

812
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,480
sorts of things

813
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,480
but uh but i will be flying the fly

814
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,240
around and i'll do the separation burns

815
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,159
like we normally do and then somewhere

816
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,399
in there we'll swap rolls and mark will

817
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,640
be kind of watching out the back and

818
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,399
i'll be up front but

819
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,080
typically the pilot does a lot of those

820
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,840
little burns i won't be at the stick if

821
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,200
you will but i'll be making some of the

822
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,720
burns but we're all working together to

823
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,039
get the job done describe the

824
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,960
different approach that you're going to

825
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,720
make this time what's different about

826
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,480
the way you're going to fly back than

827
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,279
the way we are used to seeing shuttles

828
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,120
approach the space station

829
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,919
that's an interesting question pat

830
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,159
the the trajectory that you we normally

831
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,640
see are a series of loops as we raise

832
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,960
our uh orbit and then we target a

833
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,640
particular point underneath the space

834
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,279
station so we can do our rpm our

835
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,600
rotation pitch maneuver a rendezvous

836
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,440
pitch maneuver that enables the station

837
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,360
to take pictures of our tile

838
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,200
and then we come in and attach from the

839
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,679
front uh this particular trajectory we

840
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:15,360
just kind of go out in a in a straight

841
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,480
line

842
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,000
we do the burn such that we're really

843
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,760
just describing a straight line away

844
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,600
from the space station and then a

845
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,520
straight line back in

846
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,279
and then just come up like this so there

847
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,679
there's no loops or strange orbital

848
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,000
adjustments or phase adjustments like we

849
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:32,000
see on a regular rendezvous it's it's

850
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,279
more of a

851
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,720
kind of a linear series of burns that

852
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,360
that bring us out and then back in and

853
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,360
and frankly i thought it was kind of

854
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,960
interesting that we were they're able to

855
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,720
design a trajectory that looked like a

856
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,240
straight line out in space because it's

857
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,679
really hard with orbital mechanics to

858
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,960
get that done so you have to have the

859
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,120
perfect burns to make that happen and i

860
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,720
have to leave that up for the scientists

861
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,919
you have to ask them about how they

862
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
managed to do that

863
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:57,679
as you noted it's it's interesting that

864
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,640
we're testing out uh stuff for new

865
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,080
spacecraft on sts-134 which is the last

866
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,480
scheduled flight of this spacecraft of

867
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,919
endeavour

868
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,159
what are your thoughts about this ship's

869
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,320
place in the history of the shuttle

870
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,240
program and and the shuttle program's

871
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,919
place in the history of human space

872
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,559
flight wow that's a big question let's

873
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,320
start with endeavor endeavor's always

874
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,760
been my favorite vehicle and i guess

875
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,440
because it's the newest

876
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,240
of the vehicles um when i first became

877
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,799
an astronaut a dozen years ago one of my

878
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,399
early jobs was

879
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:31,600
to help

880
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,399
prepare

881
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,960
uh the vehicle and and the crews for

882
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,519
launch at the cape flipping switches

883
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:40,240
setting up uh procedures taping things

884
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,120
down

885
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,840
uh and so i became familiar with all of

886
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,840
the different shuttles that we i spent a

887
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,240
lot of time in all of them and endeavour

888
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,320
always looked the cleanest it was the

889
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,080
most pristine and it was my favorite

890
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,159
vehicle from the very start and so of

891
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,159
course my last flight i was on endeavor

892
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,519
it was the 25th flight of endeavour and

893
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,600
and i was just tickled pink to be on

894
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:03,200
endeavor on my first flight and i

895
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,320
thought that might have been my only

896
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,159
flight and so then i get this this

897
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,240
flight and i'm just amazed that i'm on

898
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,480
endeavor's last flight potentially last

899
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:12,080
flight uh

900
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,120
but uh

901
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,720
so so yeah i i i love endeavor uh among

902
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:18,159
the space shuttles i love all the space

903
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,360
shuttles but i'm really happy to be on

904
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:21,840
endeavors last flight as far as the

905
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,080
space shuttle uh place within the whole

906
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,840
manned space flight

907
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,120
program

908
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,559
you know the shuttle

909
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,720
the shuttle's been around for 30 years

910
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,039
we've done a lot of great work

911
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,760
we've helped assemble the space station

912
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,799
we've

913
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,880
fixed the hubble telescope

914
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,399
launched satellites

915
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,640
a lot of things that other vehicles just

916
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,640
frankly couldn't do

917
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,640
it's our 18-wheeler in the sky you know

918
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,360
we've got that big cargo bay we take all

919
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,279
big stuff up with us and we've got the

920
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,880
cab where all the people

921
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,760
live and and operate the vehicle um it's

922
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,480
it's a one-of-a-kind spacecraft and and

923
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,519
um

924
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,840
it there's not an immediate replacement

925
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,159
for it right now as far as a concept

926
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,760
that will fill

927
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,480
the bill of being a space shuttle

928
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:12,480
so i think it was an amazing vehicle and

929
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,360
i was

930
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,480
i'm just

931
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,320
thrilled to have been a part of that

932
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,559
whole program i do think it's been

933
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,240
around a while i think there are some

934
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,080
design issues with the space shuttle

935
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,360
system

936
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,360
that have caused us difficulty

937
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,880
and so like any uh aerospace system it's

938
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:29,760
time

939
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,080
to the next thing and so out with the

940
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,360
old and then with the new so it's

941
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,880
bittersweet the shuttle's done a great

942
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:39,279
job but i also look forward to whatever

943
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,399
kind of

944
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,440
technology we have to replace it

945
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,600
you're going to be flying this mission

946
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,200
right around

947
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,840
the 50th anniversary of the first human

948
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,760
space flight which is also the 30th

949
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,519
anniversary of the first space shuttle

950
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,279
flight

951
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,799
and the 50th anniversary of the first

952
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,200
american space flight

953
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,720
what are your thoughts about the fact

954
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,120
that you're going to be in space while

955
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,200
we're all thinking about these historic

956
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,279
milestones

957
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,159
well

958
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:10,000
that doesn't come to my mind as much as

959
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,599
the fact that i

960
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,839
i guess i'm getting pretty old because i

961
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:14,800
was

962
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,520
those things i do remember watching the

963
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,359
first lunar landing when i was seven

964
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,599
years old so that's what comes to mind

965
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:26,480
there you know pat i am i think

966
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,079
milestones like 30th year 50th year last

967
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,320
shuttle flight those sorts of things are

968
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,720
wonderful it's it's wonderful to

969
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,040
um consider that i might be a part of a

970
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,440
milestone especially an amazing thing

971
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,639
like man space flight but i think those

972
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,760
milestones are kind of looking back you

973
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,599
know you look back at those and you say

974
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,480
wow that was cool like i look back on

975
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,800
milestones that my kids had like the

976
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,879
last time that they rode their bike with

977
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,960
training wheels for example but that's

978
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:58,800
not something that you really look

979
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,000
forward to so when i was at the time and

980
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,680
my kid was on his

981
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,920
last training wheel

982
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,839
bike ride it wasn't that big of a deal

983
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,200
that it might be the last time they ride

984
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,320
with training wheels and so i guess with

985
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,000
me you know

986
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,839
all the shuttle flights that we've had

987
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,720
are very important and so being the last

988
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,640
of a shuttle flight or the second last

989
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,400
of a shuttle flight or whatever those

990
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,640
milestones aren't important for a couple

991
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,800
reasons for one because

992
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,079
and i don't mean to be they're not

993
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,640
important but they're not on my radar

994
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,150
the last shuttle flight was sts-132 and

995
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,440
right now

996
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,680
sts-132 is the last flight and we don't

997
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,079
take any flights for granted and uh and

998
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,920
i'm hoping that we'll fly a few more

999
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,599
shuttle flights but

1000
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,040
we don't take this for granted every

1001
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,599
flight is a test flight and um and so

1002
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,000
right now sts-132 is the last flight and

1003
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,119
then 133 you know should they

1004
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,119
launch on schedule they'll be the last

1005
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,599
flight and then we'll be and so you know

1006
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,520
maybe some quirk of fatal allow us to

1007
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,520
have even more shuttle flights

1008
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:05,520
on the one hand then you're going to be

1009
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,480
in space about 50 years after the first

1010
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,240
human space flight and things have

1011
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,760
changed an awful lot from the days of

1012
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,000
yuri gagarin and alan shepard

1013
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,920
so where do you think we're going to be

1014
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,839
50 years in the future

1015
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,760
wow that's a great question

1016
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,240
you know i think in 50 years

1017
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,880
i would be very surprised that we hadn't

1018
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,359
landed on another planet

1019
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,800
either the moon

1020
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:30,320
or mars

1021
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,200
or

1022
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,599
heading toward an asteroid i mean i

1023
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,040
think that we're going to land on a

1024
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,880
surface

1025
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,839
i believe that we will have learned as

1026
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,320
we look back a lot of new things that we

1027
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,160
didn't even know existed

1028
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,240
and i think that space flight will be

1029
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,240
more commonplace that's what i believe

1030
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,720
to be true just if you think about the

1031
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,960
airplane airline industry back in the

1032
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,480
30s

1033
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:56,880
nobody was flying on airplanes and 50

1034
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,800
years later on just a week's salary

1035
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:02,000
from a very

1036
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,040
basic

1037
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,760
job you can fly from coast to coast and

1038
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,240
so i think that space flight although

1039
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,880
it's hard for us right now

1040
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,320
we'll learn

1041
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,880
new technologies and and new ways to do